Curse

Mechz · Mar 07, 2008, 11:43 AM // 11:43

The Dragons will undoubtedly take absolute control over whatever territories they make their homes in. These monsters are like.. anti-Gods.

Well, for every group of good guys, there's going to be an insanely powerful bad one. (Abaddon)

But for every group of bad guys, there's going to be a pathetically weak good one.

I can imagine one of the dragons making a utopia deep inside of its destroyed wasteland of woe. He may not be entirely good (eating random servants, demanding absurd tasks, etc.), but may recognize the main character as a worthy/interesting specimen, out of benevolence/boredom.

This may lead to the "Dragon Wars" XD

Cantha, shrouded in mystery, completely isolated... etc. May end up as a great miserable city of chaos, pain and fear. I can imagine ANet taking a piece of communist history and slapping "Cantha" all over it.

On the other hand, this string of Canthan emperors forcing unity and isolation could be the start of a technological/knowledge revolution of sorts. Imagine the renaissance taking place in this locked up country; The warring states have been united, so the people may not have much else to do besides grow and think and work. 250 years is a long time. There's an immense difference between 1758 and 2008. Personally, I don't want to see any goddamn'd computers in my Guild Wars... But, whatever. It's not completely out there. =]

Palawa Joko is another odd variable. This guy is the scourge of vabbi, yes, but I can imagine him maintaining a relatively powerful and productive country, despite his selfish demonic ways. I can see a mutual hatred between him and the Crystal Desert's dragon arise; Joko's legion of undead fighting the Desert Dragon's horde of demonic dragon spawns. A constant struggle for ownership over the desolation.

Finally, there's the rift. I'm -really- looking forward to revisiting the Fissure of Woe and the Underworld. 250 years ago, your character repelled Menzies' forces, and restored order to the Underworld. The Fissure's patches of grass will probably spread all over, and the volcanic activity may cease. Would it be too unlikely for humans to make their escape and settle for this relatively peaceful land? I'm sure the Ghostly heroes wouldn't mind some company.

What about the underworld? Without all of those damn Terrorwebs, I bet the spirits will end up constructing cities around Grenth's domain. It could be like Bleach's Soul Society.

Kyrein · Mar 07, 2008, 11:57 AM // 11:57

menzies is still there
gods are (arguably) pure energy and sentience (though the gods have physical "avatars" which take a form that suits them )
energy cannot be destroyed, only changed

Kwith · Mar 07, 2008, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Interesting theory, although with Cantha, I don't think they are going to do much in the way of progress. When civilizations are isolated and ruled under a dictatorship, dictators tend to keep things the way they are so they know they can control things.

Personally I don't see Cantha growing much in the 250 years. Except perhaps the Jade Sea un-Jadifying and the Echovald forest coming back to life.

DarkGanni · Mar 07, 2008, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechz

The Dragons will undoubtedly take absolute control over whatever territories they make their homes in. These monsters are like.. anti-Gods.

Well, for every group of good guys, there's going to be an insanely powerful bad one. (Abaddon)

But for every group of bad guys, there's going to be a pathetically weak good one.

I can imagine one of the dragons making a utopia deep inside of its destroyed wasteland of woe. He may not be entirely good (eating random servants, demanding absurd tasks, etc.), but may recognize the main character as a worthy/interesting specimen, out of benevolence/boredom.

This may lead to the "Dragon Wars" XD

Cantha, shrouded in mystery, completely isolated... etc. May end up as a great miserable city of chaos, pain and fear. I can imagine ANet taking a piece of communist history and slapping "Cantha" all over it.

On the other hand, this string of Canthan emperors forcing unity and isolation could be the start of a technological/knowledge revolution of sorts. Imagine the renaissance taking place in this locked up country; The warring states have been united, so the people may not have much else to do besides grow and think and work. 250 years is a long time. There's an immense difference between 1758 and 2008. Personally, I don't want to see any goddamn'd computers in my Guild Wars... But, whatever. It's not completely out there. =]

Palawa Joko is another odd variable. This guy is the scourge of vabbi, yes, but I can imagine him maintaining a relatively powerful and productive country, despite his selfish demonic ways. I can see a mutual hatred between him and the Crystal Desert's dragon arise; Joko's legion of undead fighting the Desert Dragon's horde of demonic dragon spawns. A constant struggle for ownership over the desolation.

Finally, there's the rift. I'm -really- looking forward to revisiting the Fissure of Woe and the Underworld. 250 years ago, your character repelled Menzies' forces, and restored order to the Underworld. The Fissure's patches of grass will probably spread all over, and the volcanic activity may cease. Would it be too unlikely for humans to make their escape and settle for this relatively peaceful land? I'm sure the Ghostly heroes wouldn't mind some company.

What about the underworld? Without all of those damn Terrorwebs, I bet the spirits will end up constructing cities around Grenth's domain. It could be like Bleach's Soul Society.

Source please?

Aubis · Mar 07, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

I think it pretty cool ideas if I say so but like to see the FOW wars in like more of a Menzie winning and Balthzar is on the ropes or something to that effect and in the Underworld city for the soul but Dhun still has minions attack to terrorize the souls and still P.O. the reaper

DarkFlame · Mar 07, 2008, 03:29 PM // 15:29

They are god realms. What makes you think Balth and Grenth will let you stay for long before they come down themselves and kick you out or turn you into ghosties too?

Eldin · Mar 07, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Cantha is not "evil" now, if anything it is stronger - the continent is now united under one power, there's no stupid Kurzick/Luxon struggle, and all those annoying critters are gone.

Also, same with Elona. Palawa rules it now, but I believe he allows Istan, Kourna, and Vabbi to go about the way they did in our time so long as they pay tribute to him.

I'd love to see how the UW and FoW have changed, and I hope there will be an NPC/statue in it somewhere that will blurt out the names of our GW1 characters who have cleared them, so we can gloat and the GW2 newbies feel bad.

I am thinking that much of GW2 is based on what we did in GW1, and ANet is actually considering everything we have done in GW1 and how it affects GW2, in a sense that their setting for GW2 is based partly on what the players did.

Be funny if Smite Crawlers are extinct now, or the Voice of Grenth/Champion of Balthazar are now pimpin' after all those 1k payments.

RiKio · Mar 07, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47

Gods are pure crap. Acording to GW2 lore, they can be defeated by a bunch of Big Ugly Lizards.

About Cantha: Well...it remembers me the third Reich: Racist and with airs of superority. We must screw Usoku. Maybe the Tengu guerrilla will aid us

About Elona: Palawa is the best ruler. No doub. Whats more, Sunspears must die. I will support Palawa, and you?

About Teh Raft: I think Dwayna, Melandru and Lyssa´s realms will be added. If not, I will kill Balthy and Grenthy for machism.

Free Runner · Mar 07, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechz

What about the underworld? Without all of those damn Terrorwebs, I bet the spirits will end up constructing cities around Grenth's domain. It could be like Bleach's Soul Society

Not exactly sure what your aim for this thread. But would like to comment on this. Underworld would never become a place such as Soul Society for a few reasons.

The first being its the Underworld: Nightmares such as Aatxe spawn there. The only place civilised to a degree is the Forgotton Vale - the only area Ghosts can go in the Underworld without being ripped up. They dont go about creating Cities - each area in the Underworld has a purpose such as the TSM being a reminder to all saying not to mess with Grenth,the Spawning Pits being somewhat the source of peoples nightmares and the Chaos Planes being Grenths victory reminder.

The second reason is that Dhuum isnt gone yet. Like Menzies he stilll exists somewere (Where that somewere is could be explored in the future but who knows) therefore the Terrorwebs could return. With no heroes for a good 100 or so years the Underworld is an easy target.

General Marzaq · Mar 09, 2008, 07:40 AM // 07:40

Personally, I thing that Cantha Empire will see himself as the last stronghold of human civilization in Guild Wars 2. All other human nations are weak or had fallen, Elona is under the control of undead warlord (Palawa Joko), Tyria is in ruins, Cantha is the only truly strong human nation in Gw2.

On the other hand, Usuko (unless it's immortal) will be dead by the time of Gw2 (250 years) their reign ttake place 50 years after Eye of the North and Ancient Dragon crisis starts 100 years before Guild Wars 2.

So, there are gap of 200 years. I think that Usuko will be most likely being remembered at most as a controversial figure like Genghis Khan (builder and conquerer at the same time). After Usoku reign it’s another history.

Maybe the Tengu will be fully integrated into the Canthan Army as auxiliary elite troops. Maybe Cantha will start to research powerful and forbidden ancient magics (like the Oni magic or Shiro’ken constructs)to fight the Ancient Dragons, perhaps Cantha will discover the secret of steam power and start a Industrial Revolution (ironclad warships).

Sirius-NZ · Mar 09, 2008, 12:18 PM // 12:18

I expect Cantha will be the most powerful civilisation in the world in GW2, and far and away stronger than the other human kingdoms; there is no evidence to suggest it has grown weaker since the unification in Usoku's time. Technological advancement wouldn't really surprise me, but the writers may not choose to take that path. Even if they did, early Industrial era is the most I'd expect.

However, something to remember; the story we've seen for GW2 so far seems to indicate Cantha hasn't changed much since Usoku's day; his successors don't seem much different. Thus you'll probably see a fairly oppressive regime in place there.

Whether the Canthans are involved in any way with the struggle against the Dragons I don't know. I have my doubts, since the pitch on Cantha right now screams out "slated for an expansion", especially being incommunicado and all that... and if we don't get to deal with it, there's not much point putting it in the plot. What would be interesting, and strangely fitting for Cantha, is if it had in fact been taken under the thumb, so to speak, of one of these ancient dragons and was now doing its bidding.

Also, the same article makes it seem fairly clear that there are no Tengu in Cantha any more; they probably left for Tyria during Usoku's day, and they wouldn't have been allowed back. Any that tried to resist (e.g. probably the Sensali) ... let's just say you don't say no to the Canthan army when it's THAT big and get away with it. If there are any Tengu in Cantha, they will almost certainly be in hiding. The Naga, Wardens and others likewise.

Azael Durge · Mar 16, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

I to think Cantha will be doing the bidding of a Wrym like dragon that they have soo many statues of. Whether or not the Canthan Wrym dragons have anything to do with/are on the same side as the Tyrian dragons. Perhaps a dragon civil war? All fighting for power?

Isnt speculation fun?

Seraphim of Chaos · Mar 16, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

I think Canthans will be the strongest because Asians are good at PvP.

Eldin · Mar 16, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

LOL!

Cantha will definitely build up like communistic China or something, but I hope we get to kill them because Cantha sucks harder than black holes.

Daerian · Mar 16, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

When reading Cantha story for GW 2 and Usoku I always see four words - "Ieyasu Tokugawa" and "feudal Japan"...
The story seems very similiar for me, and if this is ANet plan we could probably stop thinking about technological adventage in Catha :P

Eldin · Mar 17, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

You know half of it is just as an excuse for them not to put Cantha in GW2 that heavily.

I hope when the Canthans immigrated to Tyria, they left their stinky assassins behind! Rits, I admit, are the only unique non-core class that I wouldn't mind in GW2.

xshadowwolfx · Mar 17, 2008, 06:24 AM // 06:24

I want Ascalon back....why does ANET enjoy shafting Ascalon so much?

Though I like the idea of playing human characters that fight and live in ruins much like post-searing. Hit and run for the last tidbits of humanity left in Tyria.

Willow O Whisper · Apr 04, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Runner

Not exactly sure what your aim for this thread. But would like to comment on this. Underworld would never become a place such as Soul Society for a few reasons.

The first being its the Underworld: Nightmares such as Aatxe spawn there. The only place civilised to a degree is the Forgotton Vale - the only area Ghosts can go in the Underworld without being ripped up. They dont go about creating Cities - each area in the Underworld has a purpose such as the TSM being a reminder to all saying not to mess with Grenth,the Spawning Pits being somewhat the source of peoples nightmares and the Chaos Planes being Grenths victory reminder.

The second reason is that Dhuum isnt gone yet. Like Menzies he stilll exists somewere (Where that somewere is could be explored in the future but who knows) therefore the Terrorwebs could return. With no heroes for a good 100 or so years the Underworld is an easy target.

Not to mention that Dhuum's power is increasing to a extend, wich we have never seen before. Seams like Grenth will have some problems in gw2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldin

You know half of it is just as an excuse for them not to put Cantha in GW2 that heavily.

I hope when the Canthans immigrated to Tyria, they left their stinky assassins behind! Rits, I admit, are the only unique non-core class that I wouldn't mind in GW2.

Too bad for you that assassins are not unique to cantha then

Konig Des Todes · Apr 04, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper

Too bad for you that assassins are not unique to cantha then

QFT

The charr has an entire legion dedicated to Assassins and Stalkers! Rawr for the assassin charrs!!

Sirius-NZ · Apr 05, 2008, 11:57 AM // 11:57

I doubt Charr make good assassins. Too big and noisy.